You state, Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? and yet you have no problem with calling me dishonest. MacArthur is a strong proponent of expository preaching, and has been acknowledged by Christianity Today as one of the most influential preachers of his time. PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR DEFIES CALIFORNIA'S COVID RESTRICTION AGAINST INDOOR SERVICES, The statement continued, "He saw a doctor on Sunday afternoon and he is in good health, and just needs rest from a busy holiday week. He argued at the time that such mandates violated constitutionally protected religious liberties. Then you will remember your evil ways and your wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your sins and detestable practices. The Good Contrary to expectations I am not one of those Calvinist ministers who automatically discounts any church which grows beyond a couple of hundred, as being a mega fake, doctrinally incorrect, pseudo church. Nevertheless, you continued to misrepresent what I had said, and you continue to do so, even after prayerfully sleeping on it. All rights reserved. But to me that is clear what it is. Truth in love. But it takes a lot of hard work, time, and money to do what we do. I hear the anti christ will also be a great orator and just as charismatic. His message contained enough truth to make it seem plausible, but at heart it was man-centered. Will you not come and revive us? Having said that I followed the mega church scene in the USA I was aware of what was going on in Dallas and in other places too. As a southern Christian (in North Carolina), Im truly thankful you posted one of Alistair Beggs videos to show the contrast between Truth presented with integrity and intellegence, and the slick mass market Charlotte speed preaching thats become hip with mega church crowds. For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it? The one I mentioned is a paperback and cost 3.50. Because he is a pastor? G White had stated that Matt Chandler was not a good example of teaching or living and then went on to pass on gossip about a particular discipline case in the Village Church. Btw, yes Im a pastor of a tiny church and I have worked multiple jobs all 20 years I have been at the church to make ends meet. People make millions selling sex, playing sports and funny you never hear the news say that is wrong. . When searching for churches outside of the United States, please search using city, country. Didnt appreciate the joking about drug use. It all depends how you measure success! If we believe that the message in our books is from God, and we feel it so strongly, then we dont really need to promote it, do we? March 5, 2021 . | Screenshot: YouTube/Grace to You Prominent pastor and theologian John MacArthur has come under fire after a video resurfaced of him taking issue with the idea of "religious freedom," with some Christian speakers debating whether his comments were taken out of context. Hell is not something to be used as a curse word it is real. Someone feels free to go on the internet post serious accusations and then refuse to substantiate them. Weve been getting those kind of signals for the last number of weeks., A year ago, when county officials were trying for the fourth time to obtain a court order to shutter Grace Community Church, MacArthurissued his own declaration against the county, which he argued was impeding on his congregations free exercise of religion by criminalizing activity directly required by our faith. He went on to state the church has moral and religious obligations to continue allowing our congregants to gather in our sanctuary to worship the Lord., The utter unnecessary deprivation of all our people by completely shutting down the mutual love and care that sustains our people in all the exigencies, pressures, and challenges of life was cruel, he said. [11] From 1966 to 1969, MacArthur was hired as the faculty representative for Talbot Theological Seminary. Lumping every mega church together is not a healthy thing to do. . [3] MacArthur has written or edited more than 150 books, most notably the MacArthur Study Bible, which has sold more than one million copies, receiving a Gold Medallion Book Award. Legal Statement. Finally, you make the extremely serious accusation that I have caused disunity in the body of Christ by calling Matt Chandler a false teacher and by comparing him with Scott McKenna; both accusations are totally false and completely unacceptable. MacArthur responded, "Go home." Firstly in the teaching. (Ezek. Just to settle this bit of your disagreement: http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Calvinists-ES-Williams/dp/1908919329/, Wonderful thanksnow I can read it on my KindleI have no idea why that did not show on my Amazon page. 5) Yes the legalism one still stands. Staff Pastor Tom Patton delivered the sermon in MacArthurs stead, telling churchgoers the senior minister was resting., ***As the number of voices facing big-tech censorship continues to grow, please sign up forFaithwires daily newsletterand download theCBN News app, to stay up-to-date with the latest news from a distinctly Christian perspective.***. 3) Its not Furtick who will save the world from hate, crime, drugs etc. 2) Its also not advisable as someone who professes to be a Christian and follow Christ to swear. That is just nuts. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian.you didyou declared I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. That is grotesque manipulation and a parody of the Gospel. I would be tempted to add, Because youre worth it! Your remarks were and continue to be misrepresentative, deceitful and sly. From 20052015, MacArthur made about $3.4 million in compensation from GTY and TMUS, for an average of about $320,000/year. You rightly speak out against the Scott McKennas of this world but you seem to have a blind spot where certain pastors are concerned. Im not sure though why I should apologise for my Amazon remarks? Sadly The Lord will deal with him, and it will be very painful for him and his family. "[43] Moore responded to this stance by stating on her Twitter account, "I did not surrender to a calling of man when I was 18 years old. I found helpful most of what he said and disagreed with a few things. 1. point taken). It is a serious breach of the ninth commandment to defame someone in this manner. For what its worth, I fully support your stand in almost everything else. Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? Can I assume that you are now withdrawing the remark about Matt Chandler not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived? I would ask you to withdraw your remarks about legalism.posting serious allegations.refusing to substantiate them if you are in any way suggesting that I am such a person. ", "What is dispensationalism? You are just exporting your own. Can we in the UK stop copying these kind of churches? Whites equation of Chandler with Furtick being one such example, your comparison of Matt Chandler with Scott McKenna being another. From 1964 to 1966, MacArthur was hired by his father as associate pastor at the Harry MacArthur Memorial Bible Church (now Calvary Bible Church in Burbank, California), which his father Jack had planted and named after his own father. He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in . My point was that its not only out and out heretics, such as McKenna, who are a danger to the church. 2023 The Christian Broadcasting Network, Inc., A nonprofit 501 (c)(3) Charitable Organization. "[34] Regarding eternal security, he states, "It should never be presented merely as a matter of being once saved, always savedwith no regard for what you believe or do. I agree that the greatest threat to the church comes from false teachingas you will know if you read this blog. (By the way I would suggest that you learn what is name is). Since then I have occasionally listened to a sermon, read articles and heard news programes, and watched as this Southern Baptist church has grown to a reported 20,000 plus. (2Tim. I know of Alistair Begg from his Hamilton Baptist days but not much else. Last summer I had the privilege to attend and worship at an Acts 29 church plant in Shepherds Bush, and I pray that God would plant more churches like it across the UK. We are committed to delivering quality independent Christian journalism you can trust. And if you do wish to engage here, I would find it helpful if you answered my questions and stick to the point otherwise such threads just become a string of accusations. For all who oppose success in serving Jesus Christ!!! You accuse them of ad hominem remarks while making ad hominem remarks about them: you accuse them of defamation but feel at liberty to defame them. Los Angeles County sued the church over its refusal to close down, and the church counter-sued, claiming that the County was violating rights to freedom of religion. Furtick preaches a different gospel. There's some really helpful information in there. To be really honest, I find it very difficult to muster up any Christian love for you when you respond to people in this way, though I do recognise that this is something I need Gods help with and forgiveness for. MacArthur 12 having been Jul 25, 2017 - Explore Rhonda Johnson's board "Elevation Church", followed . PS. This following sermon was full of what can only be called psychobabble. This is way more than urging caution, as you later suggested. [36] Speaking about evolutionary theory, he writes that Christians "ought to expose such lies for what they are and oppose them vigorously." So First Dallas Baptist is an acceptable mega church but the Village church isnt? Im not sure that things work in quite the same way in the US. Elevation began as a Southern Baptist church in Charlotte, North Carolina in 2006. ck. One expression of faith creates refugees; the other resettles them. 3) There is no point 3) other than it is a demonstration of your setting up a straw man in the hope you will have something to argue against. By the way I got your recommended book. An unknown man clad in black confronted Grace Community Church pastor John MacArthur during service on Sunday, Aug. av. Someone made a sermon jam of it which I posted on my FB page and all of us, who were not of a charismatic background, really had no idea what he was saying. [19] He is one of the most prominent voices in American Christianity against the continuationist beliefs of Pentecostalism and the Charismatic Movement, which assert that God continues to confer sign gifts today. For the first time, John MacArthur publicly admitted Sunday that COVID-19 infections spread through his Southern California congregation last winter, noting he and his wife fell ill to the virus in December. If he is doing wrong it will come out in the wash but just to hate on a pastor because he has money is stupid. And the notion that radical Islam is going to defeat the gospel is just as daft. [46][47] He stated that there was a deadlier virus killing peoplethe virus of sinleading many to eternal death, in contrast to physical death. Im afraid that you are talking about something you do not really know about and picking on one particular church why? Im afraid your post is a classic example of taking a bible verse out of context and using it, whether ignorantly or deliberately to defend sin. As a preliminary observation, there is no name calling. There are doubtless many things wrong with Chandler (hes a Baptist for a start!) As for ES Williams book yes I have heard of it and read several reviews -Im afraid I wont be spending the 30 on a book which just seems to want to attack and tar everyone with the same brush. "[37], MacArthur is an outspoken critic of same-sex marriage, the ordination of women, the Roman Catholic Church, and the social justice movement. It was neither juicy nor gossip. [15], Nearly 43 years after beginning in the pulpit of Grace Community, MacArthur completed one of his own life goals,[2] that of preaching through the entire New Testament on June 5, 2011. If I had said that I wasnt happy with any mega church, that would have been a fault as well. But I find it astonishing that you cite it here in a massive church (and smaller churches) there are bound to be people who are sex abusers and the church will not always handle that well. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. Pastor / Teacher. Ward's father, John Tucker, was also a member of the church who had been informed . Can you forget your ministries, your programs, and your visions and instead seek to follow Christs? Has First Dallas never handled any controversy or discipline case wrong? So far there has been no evidence given for assertion. They are usually absorbed in religion for self-centered reasons. [47] In August 2021, MacArthur told congregants that "many people" had contracted COVID-19 while it "went through" the church in December 2020 and January 2021, including both him and his wife. New Artificial Intelligence Program ChatGPT Generates Concern: A Liberal Bias? John Fea | February 10, 2023 1 Comment. This British website sets out clearly the Biblical gospel, compared to the ME gospel, in the context of evangelism. The elders had publicly disciplined a woman for refusing . Give me one example of Kellers irreverence? I hope this mature and open enough for you! I fail to see where the legalism is in any of my comments. Then there is the whole question of what the church is about. If theyre charities (and I suspect many of them will be) then theyre monitored by OSCR, and will have to submit yearly, independently audited, accounts. Either way the theory that a pastor should be poor is ignorant. As for Southern Baptists liking Donald Trump, its almost as bad as you liking Scottish Nationalism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbfoO6hMSLc. So when I see money, resources and people being diverted into what appear to be personal vanity projects, branding and corporate Christianity, I weep, am angry and cry out to the Lord. I want you to know that I am not doing this for your sake, declares the Sovereign Lord. In fact it was so bad most people assumed it was just mockers cutting and pasting to make it look ridiculous yet it turns out that this was Elevation Churches own video and it was liked by Furtick! Please do not excuse sin and blasphemy. as there are with me. False teachers and those who allow the Word of God to be compromised are like a cancer in the church; some who preach flat out heresy are like the aggressive cancer and are easy to spot quickly but others who compromise a bit here and turn a blind eye there are akin to the slow growing tumour thats often not picked up until great damage is done. It does say that if you are not careful many with money err from the faith and it also says the LOVE OF MONEY is the root of all evil, NOT MONEY ITSELF. I wonder if you thought the same and you told me that in order to come across as thinking that you mentioned one which you thought was ok/good. The writer of Hebrews 12:14 states frankly that only those who continue living holy lives will enter the Lord's presence." Despite concern from church members, Grace Community Church has assured the public that MacArthur is recovering and doing better. He has misgivings about Neo-Calvinism and he gave his reasons for those misgivings. John MacArthur, the pastor of California's Grace Community Church, delivers a sermon to his congregation, January 2021. Matt. Besides, they get into the habit of being idle and going about from house to house. It is not really a battle between science and the Bible. Elevation Church's revival is seeing some theological controversy. Your replies to G White were disgraceful and totally unwarranted, particularly in light of the respectful way he/she raised a perfectly justifiable concern. But in this instance let me assure you I am not mocking. This is another attempt to pick a fight with another straw man. What talent, what ability, what fantastic communication skills, what self-belief, what a tragedy! And they aint all wrong. 2) You actually did explictly state that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be preached or lived. Do you still endorse it? David, you seem so eager to fire off your stock answers and insults that it sometimes appears that you havent properly read the comments first. Is this success? The point you made about Matt Chandler was that he does not live as a Christian (how can you know that? Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it?. [13] In 1985, MacArthur was made President of Los Angeles Baptist College, now The Master's University, a four-year Christian liberal-arts college. I would urge you to reread the comments by G White and your own responses to them before prayerfully replying. (Screenshot credit: Julie Roys/YouTube), Error: There was an internal error submitting your form. IN terms of his preaching we do disagree. [10], While at Bob Jones University in South Carolina, MacArthurs father recruited him to the Voice of Calvary singing quartet, often broadcast on Christian radio in Southern California. Its not loving, judgemental, take the beam out of your own eye, it aint wrong to be rich, youre just jealous, hypocrite. Some might expect be to be critical of the entertainment Hillsong style worship and the whole professional stage go that goes along with it. However, I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived. Last year, when far-reaching government restrictions were put in place, the megachurch continued holding indoor worship services despite bans on such gatherings. And after 63 years of sacrificial kindness to our city, to be repeatedly threatened with court-ordered efforts to shut Grace Community Church down when no one is sick reveals an inexplicable preference for a mostly harmless virus over the life-enriching and necessary fellowship of the church., As for MacArthurs own battle against COVID-19, the 82-year-old pastor was absent from the pulpit on Dec. 27, 2020. "[26] He has a complementarian view on gender roles and considers that the Bible forbids women to preach to men or to exercise authority over men in churches, and he believes that the Biblical roles of elder and pastor are restricted to men. New Calvinism quenches that desire, and true dedication to a distinctive Christian life.. We only do pale imitations of what is not great anyway! Your reference to Isis was, in my opinion, ill-judged given recent events. 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. 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